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This is the first in a series of online interviews with some of the more influential breeders within the American Bulldog community. The breeders will be given questions by a panel comprised of John Germeroth, Mark Jacobs, Tom Cain and Dave Putnam. It will start with six standard questions and move on to specific questions. Each panelist will provide two specific questions. Panelist questions will be given in the order listed above. The first breeder is Ralph Gaston of Screaming Eagle Kennels...

1) Q: What is the biggest challenge facing your yard?

A:..........right now-----cleaning up after another Alaskan winter.........(chuckle).........seriously...?.......hmmmmm let me see............deciding whether or not to continue with my desires in the dogs------or give them up for the time being to move south in pursuit of a professional archery career that I have an insatiable itch for before I have to sign up in the senior class-----especially after the State and record setting Regional scores that I had achieved as an amateur this winter/spring that rivaled all pro scores shot in the same venue during that time period around the country...........balancing all of my personal desires with those of my loving wife and 3 wonderful daughters.............

2) Q: Name the two or three most influential dogs in your scheme?

A: Without a doubt.......that would have to be Jack Frost and the Terminator dog for males.........and Annabelle for the females........it was the Dick the Bulldog/Annabelle breeding that threw my Willow female.......the combination of Jack Frost/Willow that threw the Point Blank dog in their first breeding-----and the Willie dog in their second breeding........ ............what can anyone say negative about Jack Frost--?--except for the fact that he carries just over 1% EB from the High Hopes dog in his background------as if that amounts to anything in his descendants at all.........Jack was a very forward, formidable and serious dog in his time......very WILLING to say the least.......and who's phenotype is rampant in my dogs today................. ...............the addition of the Terminator dog to my yard was something that people have had a bit of trouble coming to terms with-----mainly because they were not around him in person nor have seen the change that the addition of his blood had made for my yard when used in combination with what had already been going on............he was a definate asset, and would be used again without a second thought..........find and ask any person that has owned his progeny if they would trade what they had recieved, out for a different animal.............to this day, go to Mike Walz's yard and try to get him to sell his Rowdy bitch-----"aint gonna' happen"........

3) Q: What is the biggest mistake people make when they start their own yard?

A: I would have to say that my first impulse answer is to be in too big of a hurry to produce dogs for public sale and recognition.....grasping at straws in anyones yard simply to get started as a "breeder".......then being too quick to become involved in the marketing of pups............starting some kind of half assed line/inbreeding program and selling off to the public prior to gaining knowledge of what they might be uncovering and aligning in their blood......... ........if I had my last 15 years to do over again----we would not be having this conversation now, because no one would no me from Adam...............I would have never sold a single dog------and everything that was not utilized would have been culled............there were dogs that were sold out that I would've definately preferred to have raised for the future of my yard........but hindsight is always perfect............Point Blank would still be speaking English with the Alaskan accent(a head/body/frame to absolutely die for), all Terminator offspring would have remained up here, Bonnies sister Roxie(the fastest 70 pound dog that I have ever layed eyes on) would have never been sent to Chicago all those years ago to be bred, where she "mysteriously dissapeared"..........my good friend up here Paul Sturgeon would be owning a completely different dog rather than the awesome Comet male that he has out of Point Blank and Odessa(well---that one I would let slide....lol)......etc....etc..........on.......and on............and on...............I would be light years ahead of anything that I am remotely approaching-------if I would have known then, what I do know now.............

4) Q: What are the major challenges we face as breeders/owners of ABs?

A:...........how long do you have for an answer to this one.........?.......... ....my first thoughts tend to lead me in the direction of the preservation of the true to type Performance Bulldog into the future........people have different ideas on how to accomplish this, and it will be interesting 20-30 years from now to see the results that will come forth from the current seemingly conflicting schools of thought..........will we have a Bulldog that has it's noted utilitarianism still intact as a result of ALL of the modern influance.....?........or will we have 2 different breeds of dog emerge from the Performance Bulldog ranks "alone".........?.........one remaining semi-historically correct---in size and function------and the other replacing the more popular guarding dogs of the 20th century........... ...........but then, that thought is immediately followed up by preserving the privilage of ownership for those that will come after us.............Stewardship is a somewhat fickle thing to ponder..........and I think that for the most part, we are all too involved with our own click of people or holding fast to our own idea of what the Bulldog should be(a somewhat contradictory statement for me, of all people to say----but please hear me out)........and unfortunately for everyone, this inadvertantly starts to build walls between us.....so much so, that after a while---we no longer even bother to try to pear across them.........the wall becomes more important than the cause.................are we doing everything possible to insure that there will be a future for Bulldogs......?..........the sideline debates that we participate in on the boards from time to time have their place---I believe that iron sharpens iron.............but at some point in time, we have to realize that the non-Bulldog public views us ALL no differently from one another........ ...........so the future is up to us..........we have to gain some sort of perspective in the direction of comradery and brotherhood-------or the debates and arguments over breeding schemes/methods of testing/most influental studs/best hip scores/most titled dog/largest dog/most colored/least colored------will mean very little if we are only pointing at photos in an album to explain what a Bulldog------was......to our grandchildren someday..........

5) Q: What are the most frustrating and rewarding experiences you have had with the breed?

A:........frustration defined in it's simplest form is a rendering worthless of efforts towards some desired objective....... .....I have said many times to people that I have failed far more times than I have succeeded in this little hobby that I have called Bulldogs..... .....I have had my hopes dashed by an animal(s) that I, or more importantly, my daughters have loved-----only to watch it come down with one of the common maladies that strike our breed....... .....I have had to console people that have gotten dogs from me and then have something unforseen happen to it cutting its young life short----one of the more recent events of last fall with someone that you know-----still bothers me deeply to this day...... .....my heart breaks as I see Jack Frost aging the way that he is nowadays, and trying to only see him---as I remember him........ ......I spent two weeks in literal depression after I had to put Bolo down because I was ignorant enough to run him behind a wheeler all those years ago, not realizing that his heart had been severely weakened by parvo when he was a young pup...... ....I cried like a child at the vets office and hid my face from my family for over a week when my pit bull Bud had broken his back, and they told me that there was nothing that could be done for him short of severing his spinal cord and having him pull himself around in a cart for the remainder of his days-----nothing that I would ask a warrior to do, simply so that I could keep him around and prolong his valiant life........damn----this one still causes me to tear up even after 8 years passing................................ ..........I have had to deal with very personal yet definate feelings of regret in developing a switch within me to be able to do what I know has to be done to a puppy that was born with the wrong set of emotional/behavioral characteristics, while having my daughters struggle to understand what I am doing.........completely contrary to popular belief----I have never enjoyed looking into an innocent pups eyes and ending its life.....but I knew that as a breeder, I had bonded myself with certain criteria and conduct that I knew were beneficial to the distant goal of producing a superior animal than what I had found at first..........................................................

............I have enjoyed watching the ones grow that have made it through the testing and are fine representatives of my effort and the combined help of others that have helped me tirelessly in this pursuit who will----by and large----go completely unrecognized.......... ............I enjoy when someone that has one of my dogs cannot wait to be able to tell me of something that it has done that is nothing short of extraordinary in their eyes....... ...........I have enjoyed working with people to place a good dog in their hands regardless of whether or not they were in a position to afford it, because they were deserving of such consideration.......... ..........I have snickered time and again when someone who has gotten a dog from me----has come back when it was mature trying to convince me that I had sold them the BEST dog that I have produced------I cannot help but to reassure them, while thinking to myself----"No, you just own the best in comparison to your personal preconcieved standard of everything that you have ever owned---or had been exposed to before."....... ............I enjoy the e-mails from folks such as Dennie Welch nearly busting at the seams to be able to give me an update on his Comet sons latest advancement in training....... ............I enjoy watching my daughters when they don't realize that I am doing so-----coddling a puppy while the breeze is blowing gently in their hair....... ............I enjoy walking out on the little porch in the morning and having Newton meet me there still---after all of these years---every single day, to have me lay my hand on his wide head-----ears back-----staring deeply at me with those loving brown eyes............ ............I enjoy seeing fruition of effort after 15 years of heartbreak and limited joy.............

.........yes.........my frustrations and experiences of reward can be catagorized somewhat differently I assume than most-------but they are mine nonetheless....................

6) Q: What are your goals for the next 24 months? 60 months?

A:.............I am afraid that I would have a bit of trouble addressing a set of such short sighted goals...........with much introspection on my part about 6 months or so ago now, I had come to the conclusion that I wanted to break my yard in half and start to line breed dealing with specific dogs on either side............both sides having a degree of Jack Frost in it because his blood in my yard is fairly inescapable at the current time..........one side dealing with the Terminator blood---the other side dealing specifically with animals that owe their lineage to the Dick and Annabelle dogs to which Point Blank and Willie trace their recent roots.............after several years of doing this I plan on taking select PROVEN specimans from the ranks of each side, and cross them over one another to begin to funnel the two into one linebreeding program consisting of the very best of the bloods that I have had at my disposal...........I am not saying that at the end of 10-15 years from now that I will finally end up with that ONE SUPERDOG prize as a result of such a lengthy or painstaking effort.........to the contrary, the best dog to be produced could pop up at any given time on either side of the proposed equation..............but what I am after in this concerted effort would be to perfect the OVERALL litter as a whole to the point where the cull rate would be reduced to a bare minimum, with fine typed specimans of Bulldogs growing out of their ranks............I am also in no way kidding myself to feel that I will be on top of the Bulldog world in my pursuit as I have just described it..........I believe that there are many others in a similar quest within their own yard and scheme that will rival anything that I can concieve in my own corner of the world up here------but it is a good thing, I believe---to set some form of distant goal and attempt to map out how to get there..............

........all of this is completely contingent upon whether or not I give up the dogs within a year or so completely, to pursue a burgeoning Archery career.........at which time the animals will be placed within specific homes where my wishes for them will continue on and I will retain somewhat of a control over them...........but this remains to be seen............

7) Q: Knowing that the APBT is and has always been the "king of the ring," why would one breed for game tested and proven ABs, and how could this come into play as far as man work goes?

A:..........hmmmmmmm.......do I ever get the feeling that this was a question specifically designed for me.........I can only imagine how John would answer this..........lol......... ........it is no great secret within the Bulldog community among those who know of me how I feel about the desire/ability to pass on an animal into the future that has, by definition of the historical context of the word----earned the right and privilege to be called a Bulldog........I have said many times that "Bulldog is an ability"----I would consider it a verb----a word denoting action and that alone..........a word that carries with it the weight of hundreds of generations of predecessors that were physically and mentally equipped to handle the most daunting of tasks..........the most noble of canine titles in near 500 years.........the fires that forged this name and ability, if let to fade into simple glowing embers and smolder into memory and antiquity-----will be a travesty to the name and title itself.........and will take with it the Bulldog as it has been known and understood......this is what I believe..... ..........I simply cannot concieve that the ability will continue into the future, for the sake of the name and title alone...........without the diligent fueling and forging of the flame............. ........I am of the belief that the qualities that attracted everyone to the Bulldog in the first place---are a direct result of it being bred on the extreme of what I have just said..........we as owners feel that there is very little that a properly weighted and structurally sound Bulldog cannot do..........we call this particular quality " utilitarian versatility".........this quality is not inherent within every working class canine breed........so there has had to have been something different about a Bulldogs historic past and development that sufficently and undeniably seperates it from the rest..........that difference, I believe----is the fires fueled by the blood of their ancestors that I have mentioned above.........only in the pressure/heat of the Refiners Fire-----is Gold brought to purity......... .........on the other hand I am more of a realist than a dreamer-----and recognize the fact that "no change--is change".........we are not living in those days of old-----and time will tell whether or not there is room in the future for the type of dog that I love.............. ..........as I have already said-------it remains to be seen whether or not the qualities that attract us to the Bulldog in the true Performance ranks of today, will be retained 30 or more years into the future, given that amount of time being bred on modern theoretical guard dog criteria........let's not even talk about the Showing of them right now............

8) Q: What got you into this breed, i.e. did you have a specific need or use, or was it an admiration you had when you met your first couple of ABs?

A:.............I was involved locally up here with a couple of people that were admirers of the Doberman dogs.........I owned one of particular note from the famous Kimbertal Kennels that himself was near a 100 pounder...........at that time in my life I was considering different types of dogs to be utilized in possible guarding aspects for rental and placement as sentries..........in 1985 I was sitting in Marks apartment with him taking part in self medication and gazing at a Dog World magazine........after going through the normal ranks of the modern guard type breeds and talking back and forth over them, we stumbled into the section of the magazine somewhat appropriately entitled----"Miscellaneous"........after thumbing through the few pages that there were in those days, my eyes fell upon 2 adds placed quite inconspicuously off by themselves on the upper left side of a left hand page...........I had never heard of an American Bulldog before in my life but realized that I was looking at something completely different from canines that I had been used to up to that point in time.......the adds were from LeClercs Indian Hy Kennel with the old picture of Raging Bull, 90#------and Johnsons add with the even OLDER picture of the original Mean Machine dog, 135#........... .........within a weeks time, neither Mark or myself could stand it any longer and calls were made to Steve------simply because both of us came from very physical backgrounds and we could see from the picture, which of the 2 adds represented the type of athleticism that we were used to.......................now the rest, is a matter of history.......................

9) Q: List the ten most important attributes a bulldog must possess to be in your breeding program?

A:............no promises in answering this question..........I can say what I have to say and if, when the math is done, we don't add up to "ten" then that's just the way that it goes........... ...........a sufficient amount of displayed gameness/grit----an indominable spirit..... ...........a tolerance for pain that would make Stallone cringe in Rambo........... ...........a doscile and happy/amiable attitude with my family, specifically the kids---loyal............ ...........a very hard yet aware and attentive nature............. ...........to be of particular background and lineage........ ...........to posess athletic prowess and skills above that which some can understand......... ...........not to be physically manifesting any of the problems that are inherent with the breed............

10) Q: Explain in detail how you test for these attributes and how results are evaluated.

A:......now we are venturing into areas that I do not necessarily consider "need to know" information for the general public at large.....most in the Bulldog world have already exhibited a disdain for the likes of what I believe in, and how to go about furthering it..........so let me just say, that I test, and I test hard------tiddlie-winks and hop-scotch for hours on end..........other than that-----no comment.............

11) Q: You are known for culling litters hard. Specifically, what criteria do you use? Please give examples of the application of the criteria.

A:.............I can probably best answer this one with an e-mail that I had sent out some time back to address this very question..........it should be of no great surprise to you that I have been asked this on a number of occasions so I have saved the majority of the answer..........

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...............your mail here to me was of a most enjoyable read............as you already have a grasp on what most don't understand...........of not only the necessity for such a practice.......but also understanding the open end possibilities for making a mistake............... however.....tying your own hands and doing nothing, is not the answer.................. I generally start out with all of the runts and manifesting weaker pups in the first 3 days prior to tail docking...........and then any that might be falling behind in that first 7 days..............it can be argued that multiple breedings during the heat cycle can produce pups of different ages(up to a week or more) within the same litter........and that what a person might be witnessing as weaker, might simply be prematurely birthed and younger...............which is why I never breed more than once during the cycle..........I have always targeted the middle of the second week of the heat...............on the 11th or 12th day after it's beginning-------and 2-3 days after she has stopped bleeding..........therefore-----for the most part-------all pups are the same age.....the most seperating them being the fact that seman can live viable within the womb for 48-72 hours-------so the birthed pups will be no more than 2-3 day seperate from conception............and the pups that I diagnose as being weaker at that point-------more than likely are........... We have always had litters on the average of in the least 1 dozen pups.............some litters have been in the neighborhood of 14-15-16..............and one monster litter of 17...........a mother dog generally possesses 9 or so teats............with only about 6 of them producing a nominal flow of milk................I have never liked having more pups than quality working teats so that no pup will ever be going hungry at that all important age of much needed nutrition..................... When the pups are older and start to manifest some semblance of personality...............I start keeping track of the little things that can sometimes be overlooked..........who is the first to be adventurous and leave the mothers security and investigate the big new world.....?..........how do they react when they first meet my little Rat Terrier house dogs.........?......are they attentive when someone enters the room....?.......when someone knocks at the door.....?.......when the phone rings.......?...........noise generally is not a problem to sort through because I, at the point when they are starting to be weaned over to regular food, yogurt and cottage cheese---------start using the noise of striking a cooking pan with a wooden spoon as a dinner bell call.............softly about them at first while they start eating.............and progressing to the point where a metal spoon is used on the pan while they are still on the other side of the room and they come charging in when they hear it...........a little Pavlovian programming, some could say............. At around 4 weeks of age I get down in the litter and and start to scratch my fingernails along the floor in front of a couple of them at a time and make it appear as though my hand is scampering along.................and watch to see who is inclined to either be merely curious to investigate-------or who decides to chase it.............. Between 5-6 weeks of age, I start testing for pain tolerance as this is a pet peave of mine and I will not tolerate a dog that can and will do all else------but shrieks at the slightest perception of pain.................a dog needs to tolerate a child pulling on it's ears or gouging it in its eye or whatever else might possibly happen in that interactive scenario should the parents backs be turned and the event go unsupervised....................I do not make a snap judgement on this or any other test that I do and give the pup the opportunity to pass or fail on several occasions.............. From 5 weeks old and on I start in with a knotted sock that I have tied to a 4 foot section of light rope.........while they are lying down and not expecting it-------I hold the opposite end of the rope and toss the sock end over to them and watch for their reactions at looking at it..............I then start to slowly "crawl" the sock away from them and see who merely watches-------who follows out of curiosity--------and who runs it down...........this becomes very entertaining after a while................. At around 6-7 weeks I will drop a pork chop or steak bone in the middle of them before they have had their next meal-------and see who ends up with it.................as with the other tests------this is done on several occasions to get a better idea of the truth within the litter itself.......pups are always given attention as well to who is the seamingly more dominating within the litter, on the daily ins and outs of going about their business.........at about the same time period I have people over who the pups have never seen and view their reactions to total strangers........ There are a couple of other normal things that I do on occasion to aid in viewing what goes on in their heads.............such as the unexpected dropping of keys around them..........taking them from a place of comfort and security/to an unfamiliar area to guage their reactions...........but I do not do this at too early of an age so as to give them the benefit of the doubt that if I were them as a baby--------I might be frightened as well..............any pup that acts overly reserved or shy on a handful of occasions and cannot be diagnosed as being ill in any sort of way.............is dealt with accordingly................. All pups are birthed in my house and are raised in here in my front room where they interact socially with my entire family from the beginning of opening their eyes....................not the steril environment of a kennel or shed somewhere removed from the reality of family life itself..............television, stereo, arguing kids------clumsy breeders..........I think that you get the picture................... *******************************************

12) Q: In the absence of its owners, most would expect a bulldog to prevent an adult stranger from entering the property. How can the same owner know how their dog will act in their absence, if a child (say 13 & under) enters the property?

A:..........an area of untested waters as far as most owners are concerned because I honestly have to say that it would be near impossible to be absolutely 100% sure of knowing the answer to what you just have asked here.............I do not believe in nor take chances of endangering a child belonging to anyone and have always taken the greatest precautions in feeling that I was fully aware of the mental nature of every dog on my property as well as have been on top of communication with people that have moved in and out of my little neighborhood back here in the woods as far as children and the Bulldogs are concerned.................I can say that in the rearing stages of their adolescence(the pups, that is), that I always keep as abreast as possible of their attitudes towards children----my own at first of course, as well as others..........I will not tolerate a Bulldog that is aggressive/suspicious/apprehensive towards a child where it has not been intentionally provoked in some way or fashion........... .............I think that only a fool would claim that his dogs knew the difference----on sight----between a strange youth------and a strange teenager, and then tell you positively what their reactions would be.........

13) Q: In light of the fact that some lines of American Bulldog live on average less than eight years, how important is longevity or long life span in your program?

A:.............very important...........the love that a dog gives a person is a valuable and cherished commodity in this life..........I could not imagine dealing with a line of dogs and offering them to the public where they will wear out in some way in less than 8 years like some kind of canine Bic lighter............our dogs have been known for longevity in the extreme as far as this is concerned when being compared to other larger families of AB's that are available.........as I type here, Mark is asleep at home with one of the first dogs that we had purchased some 15 years ago----Bonnie....people still have dogs in their homes from some of our very 1st breedings that were made.....Newton will be 10 this coming August and acts near as spry as ever after seeing every Alaskan winter outside for the most part on a chain.........Odessa will be 9 this year and she had just caught one of my boars a month ago that got loose and was on a run-away mission to parts unknown........it was a young one at about 85# at the time, but she had no problem throwing it off its feet and shaking the piss out of it.......I was extremely happy to see how well she still moved and reacted when called upon to do so................... ............I would not be dealing with these dogs if I felt that they should only be expected to live as long as someones English Mastiff..............

14) Q: The majority of American Bulldog breeders consider outward appearence and large size to be the main criteria for selecting breed candidates. How important are looks and large size when it comes to breeding bulldogs?

A........Size.......?....well let's see here----about as important for a Tennis Player to look like a starting Tackle for the Chicago Bears............just try running a Clydesdale in the Kentucky Derby........or conditioning a Shot Put'er as a Gymnast on the balance beam or floor exercise routines....................should I continue.....? ............size of the nature as some would like to see in these dogs is superfluous at best, as gravity becomes their all encompassing adversary...........I have read about what some folks say that the 100# dogs or better are at prime weight for their ability to knock a man off his feet and anchor him there..........only in the 20th-21st century would that be considered criteria for the recognition of a good Bulldog.........look----my philosophy behind this has always been, if a 70-80 or so pound Bulldog type of an animal has sufficient ability to wear down, tame and throw a cantankerous bull------or hit a 300# or better wild boar like a hammer and go for the ride of its life.........why on earth will it need the extra 30-40# for a man just to be able to knock him down via initial impact of energy generated from launching "extra weight" alone.........?..........sorry-----but from my time with calculating kenetic energy for figuring the projected amount of foot pounds required from an arrow to aquire maximium penetration and pass through on a very SOLID and ANIMATE object.........I will take moderate weight, agility and speed ANYDAY------over the reproduction of the original Bull and Mastiff cross nightwatchman estate dogs of the 19th century...........the bottom line for my yard---?----Molossers need not apply............

..............the Looks on the other hand, seem to have a way of taking care of themselves after a while if you are truely selecting dogs that suit your personal taste and needs..........I was very fortunate to have blood up here that is now producing very typie appearing dogs of definate aesthetic appeal...........if not to me alone......... .......much beyond that------if we are entering the arena and thought of the show ring enthusiasts for the sake of breeding consideration------my advice for those that feel that they must be involved with such endeavors, is simply to show what you breed-------but never breed for the show..........take another of the simplest of lessons that canine history has to offer--------the show bench has been the death of every working breed.............breed for desired/required ability------and then show your results............everything falls in line after that..............

.........I have to take time know to thank the committee that was thrown together in a last minute fashion at the request of certain breeders for the consideration of developing the survey as it now stands.........they are to be commended on their approach and decision making process for the questions that have been formulated----some directed to all----some pointed to specific breeders alone...........and I wish the readers the best of luck in the Bulldog choices that they will make in the future........be attentive, learn where you can.........and make informed decisions...........

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